In the comment section of one of his videos a common cyberstalker of TZM named Jim Jesus gave Victor a link to a video that Peter did to suggest to the Occupy movement a way to transition out of a state. In my exchanges about that Victor claimed that anyone who even supported a transition OUT of government was therefore a statist. I asked him first on youtube, then many, many times on facebook how he suggested a transition to Anarcho-Capitalism that would apparently have to happen overnight in order avoid even a transitional phase out of government.
I started looking at Victor's various videos about the Zeitgeist Movement, and suffered through some incredibly poor wastes of my time. Victor clearly did not have anything resembling a clear understanding of what TZM stands for. This became even more painful when for some reason Michael Shanklin decided to have the guy on his own show as an "expert" on the topic. This eventually lead to me asking Michael if I could do a show with him myself to answer his questions, as Victor literally had no idea what he was talking about. Victor started to come across to me as someone who is starting to get drunk on whatever "fame" they are getting in the An-cap world.
Eventually, one of the members of the Fans of V-RADIO facebook page who happens to be an An-cap requested to add Victor Pross to the page. As I generally will allow anyone on the page who can be respectful, and as V-RADIO is a show that activists from many walks of life can take value from even if they do not support the RBE, I figured, why not? There are a few Anarcho-Capitalists and several people who do not advocate the RBE on that page. All I ask is that people are respectful. Victor was not really capable of doing that. Victor seemed to be a master of trying to speak very assertively but saying very little if anything of substance. When called on this repeatedly by the members of the community he would either respond with a veiled insult, or try to avoid answering for it at all. At one point when the subject of Stefan Molyneux denying that he watched "The Lightbulb Conspiracy" came up. This was some of that exchange:
Victor's participation frequently was like that. And there was very little in the way of constructive interaction from him. But for the sake of some of my Anarcho-Capitalist members of the community who wanted him there I gave him a shot. The problem eventually became clear. Victor does not do well when someone is not impressed with him. He doesn't have much in the way of debate other then repeating things he has heard elsewhere. And when he is talking out of his derriere, he tends to run and hide with "his tail between his legs and egg on his face". I repeatedly had to warn him over and over again to stop attacking people.
Since the main thing I was seeking to engage him about were his erroneous suggestions that Peter Joseph is a statist for daring to even suggest a transition out of the state, I decided to corner him on that issue. While he was regularly posting I kept posting a serious of questions to him about a transition into Anarcho-Capitalism that was somehow to take place with no state. I re-posted these same questions MANY times over the course of a few weeks. He would click "like" on the posts and then never reply. This lead to me finally posting the following, making it clear I was tired of it.
So, after no response from Victor, I finally removed him from the group. I was kind of shocked at the information Damian provided that proved that Victor Pross is a known plagiarist according to the Objectivist community.
I did not stop posting the series of questions that he had promised he was going to answer anytime I saw him on facebook talking trash about TZM or about how well he claims to of debated with anyone associated with it. Eventually this took place on Michael Shanklin's wall. A post that has since been deleted. However, I took quite a few screenshots. Because things took a serious turn for the bizarre when I related the link that Damian had given me. A "woman" named Amanda was viciously defending Victor and how "awesome" he is on Michael's wall. When I posted the link, the "woman" said "Yeah I know about that Neil. I also know about you raping a 13 year old girl!" in the public exchange on Michael Shanklin's wall I asked her to absolutely provide any and all evidence she had. She invited me to friend her account so that she could discuss it with me in PM's. I did go ahead and do that because I wanted to see where it would lead. But I also continued to have the conversation on Michael's wall. This is an excerpt from the conversation that was on Michael's wall:
Meanwhile, this was the crazy that was going on in PM's:
She kept maintaining that she, a devoted fan of Victor Pross would of course drop the matter of my alleged rape of a 13 year old girl if I was willing to take down the post about Victor Pross's repeated plagiarism.
Brittany Smith finally cornered "her" on that.
Recently it was brought to my attention that "Amanda Owens" copied and pasted her own filmmaker biography from another woman named Tracey Friesen. I have no idea how long "Amanda" will leave these facebook statuses up, but I will provide links to them next to the screenshot so that you can see for yourself.
Compare what you see at this link: AMANDA OWENS FACEBOOK
And what you see at this link: SECOND AMANDA OWENS FACEBOOK POST
To the biography of Tracey Friesen:TRACEY FRIESEN BIO AT "SCARED SACRED" WEBSITE
So, all of a sudden "Amanda" goes silent. And then Victor Pross after all of this silence suddenly starts PMing me on Facebook again: (You may have to open this one in a new window and enlarge it.)
There is a ton more where that came from. If anyone wants to see the whole thing I could provide it in an email. But basically Victor goes on and on and on asking me why I posted the link to the post about his plagiarism. And me repeatedly giving him the same answer. Him saying he does not agree with Amanda, and insisting that she is real. And is apparently a co-producer on a documentary about Victor's life and art called "Pop goes the culture".
This is not the first time a mysterious person came out to viciously defend Victor Pross and all his greatness.
That picture taken from this link: Victor Pross being talked about on Solo Passion.
So, eventually Victor himself starts getting into this now deleted post on Shanklin's wall. This becomes relevant later. Victor said that he came back from his trip to find that he had been removed from my group. And that he had fully intended on answering my questions. And that he was not avoiding anything. This story later changes. Because after Victor realizes that I am not his buddy just because he talked to me in private messages on facebook claiming it was not him who posted that I was the rapist of a 13 year old girl, now it's time for him to simply claim that he left my group because we were not good enough for HIM. He is now perpetuating this lie in a series of videos. Unfortunately for him, I screen-shotted all of that earlier.
UPDATE: Something interesting I noted about the above video is that he put the words "Sexual Manipulation" in the title next to my name among other things yet nothing is mentioned whatsoever about sexual manipulation of any sort. (He also has failed to mention the incident of "Amanda" suggesting I raped a thirteen year old girl too.) I guess he was hoping that would just go away.
Victor apparently has a three part series in mind. This is the second part:
I have a funny feeling that he may feel inclined to take these videos down when I have posted this blog. Good thing I have downloaded them.
Victor's video is basically an eight minute diatribe attacking the Zeitgeist Movement, and me. He prattles and blabs on and on and on in a textbook example of the psychological phenomena known as "Projection". I mean you could literally find saying everything in his video. "Pretentious, intellectual sheister's of the mind."
The funny thing is, in doing all this he is just bringing more attention to the issue. And the manner in which he is doing it is damaging his reputation more then any one link I could ever offer.
Oh, another lie exposed. I didn't deny, nor have I heard anyone significantly deny that the RBE is collectivist in nature. In fact, I debated this EXACT POINT with Victor on Fans of V-RADIO, and again asked him a direct question, what was wrong with VOLUNTARY collectivism? But he keeps saying "They deny it to the bitter end!!!" LIAR. Watch as he pointedly refuses to answer my question about voluntary collectivism? Please note that he for some reason refused to answer? Please note that this is OBVIOUSLY not TZM members "Denying it to the bitter end!"
This screen shot includes his video's description on youtube:
This one is the full conversation about collectivism for those who want the rest of the context:
So in another installment of Victor's video series about me:
Now he assumes I am full of "piss and vinegar". Apparently I am so upset about this. He reads a bit of this blog. Still no mention of "Amanda" threatening to tell everyone I raped a 13 year old girl. Still no explanation of his titles that say things like "Sexual Manipulation", etc. He puts in his video "I just want people to look at Neil's actions..." as if me linking information about his plagiarism was this big evil thing I did. He also keeps repeating that he "left" when and doing his best to gloss over the fact that he said himself on facebook that I asked "fine and challenging questions" and that he had every intention of answering them.
He also talks about the questions I asked him, and tries to appeal to mockery about that attempting to take attention away from the fact that he made false claims, was called out on those claims, and then ran away from those claims "with egg on his face and his tail between his legs"
He also goes into this idea that I stopped going into any philosophical discourse with him when I gave that link. He wasn't engaging in any philosophical discourse at that point anyway. When I cornered him with questions he doesn't have an answer for, his ego couldn't handle it. So he ran.
Then we move on to him suggesting that somehow me linking to the information that proved he was a plagiarist and a liar was somehow hypocritical of me as it was "structural violence". They really can't seem to get what structural violence is. It has nothing to do with posting links on the internet.
He also had to be sure to mention the movie that his adoring fans are making about his art and his life. Again. And again.
In conclusion, though I may come back and update this blog later, Victor Pross is an interesting character. I am not sure what he hopes to accomplish. If he thinks that he can in some way frighten me into silence by making youtube videos spouting random insults I would say he does not know me very well. I had moved on past all of this and was completely finished with it. But now, I ask the fans of my radio show to initiate the "Barbara Streisand Effect" this article. The more this guy goes crazy all over the internet about this, the more I think people should know the truth about him. Particularly considering that for some reason people are starting to take the strange fellow seriously.
So it also just occurred to me that there is further proof of lies in some of these screenshots. If you go to the screenshot where we are arguing about collectivism, you will notice that I had to again post the questions that he had been dodging all this time about how he proposed to transition out of the state with no transition.
Now, when you watch Victor's videos he keeps claiming that he simply left the group before I posted those questions to him. (The ones that he also said were "fine and challenging questions" before...and then later said he was not going to bother with.)
So the screenshot about the conversation about collectivism PROVES that he had been dodging the basic questions I asked him for weeks, and that he was still active on the forum engaging in other topics while at the same time avoiding answering the hard questions I had given him. Funny that.